The first time I had to tell someone “I think I’m gay – was when I made it to college. For all those years at Jesus Camp, youth group, Acquire the Fire, and then the Honor Academy – I guess I had bought into the illusion that I liked girls and was somehow going to court one and then go through with the rest of the fairy tale that people have believed in for all these years. One year at church camp when it came down to coming up with team names I had suggested God’s Anointed Youth. I’m pretty sure the leaders didn’t want us all carrying signs around camp that had G.A.Y. written all over them. Of course this idea had to come from me.
From my earliest memories I always wanted the dolls and the girly toys. My brother did have some GI Joes and Star Wars toys – which I’m sure I played with – but when it came down to catalogs and Saturday morning cartoons the toys I wanted were never in line with the social norms of their designed demographic. I was put on basketball teams at the YMCA and one year even went as far out to join a baseball team. I was always the worst player and although I’m sure I made a friend or two I was never in my element. I did however succeed on the stage. I was in musical theater before I could even read and as soon as I started to grow up I did more of that as well as time with church groups and what not. By the time I got to junior high I was really going out on a limb by joining the gymnastics team and dance teams. I did what I wanted and didn’t care about other people’s opinions. When the gay jeers started I tried to ignore them to the best of my ability and of course didn’t think I was. I was fourteen and didn’t really have a grasp on sexuality. I didn’t even really know what being gay meant. I still didn’t even really know what being straight meant since I had been pulled out of sex education and was never really filled in by my parents. I’m not sure why people in the Christian community have such an aversion to sex talk. I don’t think its healthy at all and probably was one of the reasons why I was a super late bloomer.
I had one very minor gay experience with a guy in junior high. As a curious kid I think I went to the internet one night to read about masturbation. There was no way on earth I could talk about this topic with any adult since I’m sure there was a predominant culture of shame about it everywhere I went. I never could have openly discussed this with my father and there weren’t many other men around who had volunteered to guide me through this. One web site said it was normal for young kids to experiment with one another in the realm of mutual masturbation. It happened once and even by the time I got to the Honor Academy I was still racked with guilt about it. I remember one night I opened up to a female non-HA friend about it and she sort of laughed at me and told me that if that was my greatest sexual sin than I really had nothing to be ashamed of.
In High School and on up to the Honor Academy there were guys I would always notice. I didn’t know why I’d notice them and it wasn’t that I consciously was aware that I “liked” these individuals. Before the August class came in when the photos started going up on the wall in the MOB – I remember seeing one person in particular whose photo was a huge magnet for me. I went in on more than five occasions to look at that photo over that summer. Again – I had no idea what this behavior meant – since I was going to marry a girl and have kids and all that – to me this was just me looking at “magnetic” interns. I mean I listened to the song Someday by LaRue like constantly – not to mention all the purity rings I’d accumulated along the years. I just thought that I would fill the mold of the expectations set before me by Christian society.
April 30th, 1997
Anyway tonight was Ellen’s coming out episode. And you know I am really happy for her. I know what it is like to not like the opposite sex. I wonder if I am gay too. I don’t really want to think about it but if it can happen to her it can happen to anyone. If I was gay I could never tell my mom or she would just flip a lid, maybe that is why I won’t tell her if I turn out to be gay. Anyway it is really bothering me. I want to like girls but I just don’t have the talent for it. Anyway I better get to bed if I am going to go to school. So even if I am gay I hope not to displease God, I mean I would never have sex with another guy but maybe just have a crush on one.
Even as a sixteen year old, deep down, I knew what was going on – it just had to be buried and never discussed. Thankfully while I was at Teen Mania I was still clueless and of course since I never had a problem being attracted to girls – the only damage the rules probably did to me was make me afraid of dating and only postponing the eventual emotional growth in dating I so dearly needed. By the time I got out of Teen Mania and reentered society I was too busy chasing after school and work to even really think about dating. When I got to college all I did was study. I remember Dave Hasz telling us that we would be lonely in college. I wish he’d gone on to add that we would be lonely because we would all be brainwashed and unable to really function with our peers. I would have been a more effective “witness” to my peers if I had been comfortable going to a party and engaging with them – yet I think I went to one real party in four years of school because I was so much better than everyone – (in my mind) and really unable to connect with others. I was even pretty critical of the Christian groups on campus – and I do remember trying to connect with them but really – they never reached out back. There was a guy in the fraternity down the road who had the same “magnetic” effect on me as the incoming alumnus on the wall back in Garden Valley. One night I saw a foreign film with a gay story line and characters and there was a sexual scene between the two male characters and I think it was at that point after having been aroused by it – that all the dots that had been left throughout my life came together in one big bang. I was of course not happy about it and I’m sure I cried about it for a bit before I’d have the gall to tell anyone.
By this time my Teen Mania wounds had limited the Teen Mania people I was still in contact with and I only told a few people who really just said maybe I didn’t know and was just confused – you know – standard stuff you tell a “gay” person. Even with my realization in college – I wouldn’t even kiss a guy until almost two years later. I remember listening to Pam Stenzel at ATF and her sex talks – and I was horrified of the ramifications of STDs – I didn’t want to touch anyone. As much as her talk might have been effective – the fear aspect worked the best. There was a part of me motivated for purity – for the sake of purity – but i=I’d admit that most of it was fear of disease – which is a grounded fear. I made it out of college and started a job. I moved in with another male alumnus and we shared a studio apartment. He knew that I was beginning to self identify as gay and we would joke about the “appearance of evil” with our neighbors. He was not scared of people thinking he was gay just because he was living with me – and some of the neighbors did know that I was gay based on conversations of hot guy talk in the complex.
I finally made the plunge and got drunk and kissed a guy. I had so much stress about having not kissed someone that when it finally happened I was thrilled that it was a success – albeit the somewhat drunken state in which it happened. Up until this point I was wrestling with who I was and everything I’d come to know. Did God hate me? Why was I this way? What did I believe? I thought I had no one to go to. I ended up calling the only person from my Teen Mania days I thought was legitimately someone who was reasonable and trustworthy – it of course was a woman. I talked with Brenda B. for some time that evening. I don’t remember much of the conversation – but I would expect a conversation with Christ to be somewhat similar. Her tone was come as you are. She was loving and compassionate. She offered no judgement or theological advice. I honestly stalled before calling because when I came out to one alumnus who had happened to be Ron’s assistant for most of my time at Teen Mania – she told me she would have to tell her fiancé and “come under his covering.” My eyes rolled into the back of my head and maybe I hung up the phone and never talked to her again. Ok crazy person – go run off to your fiancé. Your opinion or help isn’t even needed if you are insane.
It would be more time until I would begin to tell my family. One loved one was surprised since I took more of a stance that I was never gay growing up. Another loved one offered unconditional love but said I’d never find happiness. Others still thought I might be confused and unsure – after all I spent three years in an environment of sexual discovery oppression. I would struggle more and more with the questions of why am I this way if this entire time I served God so earnestly? Why am I being punished? What did I do wrong? I started to see a therapist since I was becoming severely depressed with self-loathing. Thankfully after a few sessions I began to see that I am who I am. I’ve been this way. I was born this way. I know some don’t agree and think I made a choice. To those people I laugh and say you are blinded by your theological prejudices. Unfortunately a part of my recovery was to cease all conversations with those who would not be supportive of the gay community – so I stopped pursuing several alumni friendships since I wasn’t about to have debates with people or have more feelings of condemnation rise up.
I heard about a film entitled Fish Out Of Water that was hitting the film festival circuit in the fall of 2009. I flew out to Chicago to attend a screening and was so excited to see a film that actually discussed the seven big verses in the Bible and what they actually say about homosexuality. I won’t go into all the details here – but if you’re interested in seeing the film its available on Netflix and offers much information about the actual original language of many of the Leviticus and Deuteronomy verses as well as cultural implications. I showed the film to my mother and it helped bring her some peace as well. So many Christians go around saying the Bible says things it doesn’t say – but of course interpretation will always be an issue – and maybe that’s why there are so many different Christian belief systems out there.
When I first started dating guys I still had these grandiose ideas about dating and relationships that I thought I could bring over to gay world with me. I thought I would meet someone and have a courtship and wait until “partnership” to have any kind of sex. Eventually I realized that these notions, albeit altruistic, weren’t realistic. I did have some experimentation within safe parameters and I carried so much frustration about still being a virgin – and actually had to question my sexuality to its core since I’d never actually had full on sex with someone else. I really wanted to wait to meet someone truly special – but since the quest for honorable gay god-loving men was somewhat derailed by the fact that any of those guys out there have been sent into hiding due to the extremely bigoted and judgmental environment being perpetuated by Christians in all sects. If God is love, and Jesus came and preached love being his greatest commandment, I don’t quite understand why Christians behave the way they do. The documentary Lord, Save us From Your Followers is a great film that highlights this question. Funny enough – Teen Mania is featured in it – not surprisingly for all the controversy they drummed up at the San Francisco Battle Cry events a few years back.
My greatest prayer is that God places a gay in the life of the most bigoted of Christians – so then they will be forced into seeing the humanity and struggle, and tears of a gay person – then maybe, just maybe they will be able to see them in love like Christ would. Today as I write this I haven’t fully abandoned everything I believe, but you know what – a lot of it is nonsense and in the end doesn’t matter. I don’t quite frankly care what Paul had to say – to me he was a man – writing down thoughts – that sure were God inspired – but I don’t think that means we base entire theologies off of it. I still don’t know why people like to build theology off of the Old Testament if Christ came to offer a new one. But hey – I honestly don’t think much about it because I just don’t care. Maybe one day I’ll return into a flock of truly loving Christians who won’t have conditions attached to their affections. Until then I’ll continue to find my way on this path called life and try to truly love others with the battered remnants of my faith.

24 comments:
Thank you for being so honest- I am so thankful to God that Brenda B was able to be Christ to you when you talked with her- it seems like a miracle!
There is certainly a place for you in God’s family, I’ll pray that you find a church family here on earth where you are loved and welcomed- keep looking and praying.
Notice: We are all familiar with the standard arguments against homosexuality but that is not what this post is about. Any comment along those lines will be deleted.
Whether or not you believe homosexuality is a sin, I think we can all affirm “Andy’s” right to be heard and understood as a fellow alum and a person created in God’s image.
“My eyes rolled into the back of my head and maybe I hung up the phone and never talked to her again. Ok crazy person – go run off to your fiancé. Your opinion or help isn’t even needed if you are insane. “
“To those people I laugh and say you are blinded by your theological prejudices.”
Ok, I’ve endured all five parts of this story… only to realize that you are still essentially the same person you were while at the Honor Academy. Your circumstances have changed. You’ve become more comfortable with who you are… but you’re still prideful, seem to think you’re better than other people and generally too self-important for your own good.
I’m so thankful that I do know people who live the homosexual lifestyle who are more loving and accepting of the Christians in their lives (even the crappy ones). I’ve learned a lot from them.
I’m sure my view is going to be the unpopular one… but I have been seriously shocked by the overall meanness of Andy’s tone.
This piece does an excellent job at showing the far-reaching effects of the Honor Academy’s “better than you” environment.
Wow. Andy I am SO GLAD you shared this! THANK YOU!
I want to provide my opinion because I think it only adds to the post.
I had the hardest struggle with homosexuality when i got saved. Because in my walk of life EVERYONE’S gay. haha. We didn’t have a bible study or christian organization meet during lunch at school anywhere but the gay alliance was fairly big in my school… of 400!
Getting saved, going to church… Everything with Christianity I was involved with was extremely open minded. But almost to a sad degree where there was no right or wrong. It’s near chaos sometimes going to church because so few actually stood up for even just basic moral rights. They had the love factor down though… Very interesting combination.
ANYWAYS-
Teen Mania and probably a few other Christian circles I affiliated myself with before my time at T.M. really was the first place I heard a formula version of Christianity. A+B=C. If you do something right God will bless you, If you do something wrong God will curse you. Levels of sin, Levels of forgiveness, Levels of mercy. Bull shit. (sorry…)
Anyways, I got real sucked into it because it was so night and day of what I grew up in. Where the church culture back home was like, ‘let’s throw out rules and do what we want. God’ll love us anyways!’
Going to T.M. was like, ‘Rules, Rules, Rules! God is a God of rules! and He loves those who love His rules…’
Well, it has taken me my ENTIRE Christian life so far to get un f***ed up from my past life AND my Christian life.
So, a guy stayed at our apartment who was gay a few months ago. It was really cool to hear his perspective (which is very similar to yours Andy.) and on top of that he gave me quite an unforgetable 5 point sermon on revival.
I have made it my new goal to NOT listen to what the mainstream is screaming, Christian or Secular.
I’ve been way to F’ed with.
And ah nother thing…
I want to say I’m sorry for the way you felt so shamed for natural feelings you had.
That’s been definitely the top 3rd or 4th hardest thing I’ve dealt with since my time at T.M. – thinking that I’ve upset God by something I actually feel, can’t deny that I feel it and don’t actually think it’s wrong except that people have told me so.
My personal testimony is: God doesn’t confuse you. He doesn’t condemn you and when it’s God you know it.
J – I am far from the same person I was at the HA. I’m far from perfect. You’re self righteous finger pointing tends to cement the belief I have about certain segments of religious people. Thanks for your assessment. Maybe there is a mean tone throughout – I didn’t personally try to write one – it wasn’t easy to write out a story that has haunted me for ten years. Yet – maybe there is meanness throughout from dealing with people like you. Send in your story and we will see what wounds and hurts you have that we can critique and then bash your “tone” with how you deal with it.
I have followed your blog for quite a while now, and I am currently a undergrad at HA. Yu were an inspiration to me, and i was thinking about leaving.. but now, the kind of things this website is posting, and condoning… i cannot sit by and let this continue..RA? what happened to you.. i thought you were looking out for us, I thought you wanted to make an impact- now your just posting stories that you now would create controversial comments.. andy has a right to be heard- and I am glad he shared his story- but i think its alright that you condone this..
sorry RA.. I think you lost you meaning and purpose of your blog..
a let down intern
J – I know “Andy” – he isn’t mean. He is wounded. Remember this is a website for RECOVERING alumni. Part of that recovery is expressing all of our feelings, including anger.
Anonymous Intern – You are going stay in an abusive situation because I let a gay alumnus share his story? What does this story have to do with you?
And for the record, just because I post someone’s story doesn’t mean I’m in agreement with every single thing they’ve said. I’ve posted stories from atheists, too, remember?
But I will always stand up for their right to be listened to, understood, and validated as people loved by God and created in His image.
Andy, Thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry that for so long you had to hide who you truly are in order to feel loved, “normal”, and accepted. You are loved and accepted JUST AS YOU ARE.
I am proud to have gotten to know you! You are a great man and I am truly sorry that anyone ever made you feel belittled, hurt, etc because of your sexual orientation or anything else.
J- I know Andy and can say that he is NOT the same person he was at the internship. He is far from mean and far from prideful. I have never gotten the impression that Andy feels that he is better than anyone else.
J. – Wow harsh much?? Totally not called for. After reading 5 parts to “Andy’s” story I can honestly say I never picked up on ‘mean’ or ‘prideful’ – I did see a lot of pain and marginalization ie typical TM B.S. – with or without him being out. I think most – if not all of us – can identify with feeling like a misfit. I know I can. I’m sure that’s nothing compared to coming out gay in a christian culture to family and friends.
Andy – I’m so impressed by your story. Thank you for being so open and honest with us. I’m sure this was not easy to write.
Andy you are so brave to have come out given all that environment *HUGS* I hope you find love and more peace. Such a beautiful sole to have shared so much of yourself with us all. You are accepted just as you are! It’s hard to not be who you have always been because others may not accept you or will find hate in their heart. But know that those people are just hurting and lost as well, not being themselves because they are also afraid.
SHILOH- Honny you are growing and understanding love so much in such a short time. It is so good to see you learning to be you as YOU! <3
Shiloh! What Heartsfire said 😉
I didn’t know how to say it with out sounding like a huge cheeseball…but your rockin’ it girl!!
I’m so blessed by your openness, and I hope you feel more free from the junk or lies you have carried around about yourself for so many years. I know you as a friend but didn’t know you at TM even though we were there during the same years, I have never felt like you are mean or prideful about anything. Your reached out to me when I needed a friend and I felt a real connection to your kind spirit. I have also been told myself by other alumni that I haven’t changed since TM, but how can you not change when you inter a world that is full of life and growth when you seek it out?
You have changed even in this post by sharing your pain, and your life with us, I hope you will hold on to the truth that you shared in this post, and never let another self claimed Christian bring feeling of condemnation down on you again it’s never a mans job anyway. Your life is such a testimony of self awareness and growing into self comfort and freedom of being who you are. I hope we all can examine our inner self and find something else that we are hiding that can become freeing if we open up. I hope you find a truly loving companion, one that knows God and will bare wittiness with your life and connect with you in every way, your deserve to be so very happy.
Andy–Thanks so much for your posts, I’ve really been encouraged by them, even as someone who no longer would call himself a Christian. A huge part of me would like to be able to rejoin the Christian community and it’s stories like yours that give me hope that I might still be okay in God’s eyes.
And don’t listen to J. I have no idea how he’s reading into your posts some kind of meanness or a judgmental attitude. If he honestly believes that then he has shown himself to be someone who has never suffered abuse or discrimination. I’m looking forward to your last post.
Andy #2 – I don’t care what the “Christian community” tells you – God loves and accepts you just as you are. Anything else is a lie. Thanksfully, you don’t have to associate with abusive and discriminatory Christians in order to be friends with Jesus.
Thanks RA. I have been thinking for quite a while about writing a story for you. My only involvement with TM was on a GA “C” trip that lasted through the summer of ’03 where I was an MA. After that though, I went to a Bible college and worked in ministry for a while, so I have a knowledge of TM and what it’s about and other experiences of spiritual and emotional abuse that help me to really relate to the things I read on your site.
“My eyes rolled into the back of my head and maybe I hung up the phone and never talked to her again. Ok crazy person – go run off to your fiancé. Your opinion or help isn’t even needed if you are insane.”
My thoughts exactly.
Andy, I think that you have been discovering exactly who the Lord created you to be, and that is so beautiful. I am proud (and jealous?!) of your ability to put everything behind you (or work through it, rather) in order to start living true to yourself. I wish that the Jesus Camps and TMM and American Christian culture and whatever else hadn’t prevented it for so long in your life, but I’m elated to read that you are no longer bound by their rules or judgement. Indeed, you are loved exactly as you are.
Andy 1- Thanks for sharing your story. You are loved.
Andy #2- We’d love to hear from you, if/when you feel like sharing more.
Andy, thank you for having the courage to post this. I pray that you continue to find healing. God Bless you.
J- I’m pretty sure I know Andy…. And if he is who i think he is, I’m positive that his “mean tone” was not intentional. Its simply the way that these events made him feel. I don’t think its fair for you to criticize what he posted here. If it came across as mean then please just accept that its the honest account of someone who has been hurt and is now working through the healing process.
“My eyes rolled into the back of my head and maybe I hung up the phone and never talked to her again. Ok crazy person – go run off to your fiancé. Your opinion or help isn’t even needed if you are insane.”
um, i’m pretty sure i know who this is. related perhaps to your landlord you mentioned?? 🙂
j, i took andy’s tone as sarcastic, not mean. he was expressing his reaction to someone being weird. responding to someone sharing with you a deep and emotional confession by saying you have to run to your fiance’s “covering” is strange and yes, creepy. what does that even mean?? that you are no longer allowed to think for yourself because you have a fiance? all women with fiances (and husbands!) must now surrender all original thoughts and adopt any and all thoughts of that man in their life? get real! i would have rolled my eyes, too. not to be mean, but to say “WAKE UP! think with your own brain god gave ya!”
The tone I took from those lines were what I would hear from a typical gay man. Not necessarily mean, but extremely sarcastic. (Not trying to sound mean or create an “us/them” scenario. Just my observation with how the world works… at least in my neck of the woods)
That attitude is a dangerous one. My mom confided in her best friend at the time regarding the pastor’s sermons and because the friend was “under the cover,” her husband was told about my mom’s complaint. Long story short, wife told husband, husband was on the board and told the pastor, pastor had many meetings with my mom, we left and/or got kicked out of the church.
Andy – I think your reaction to your “friend” was very valid. Crazy person indeed. Kudos for sharing. This particular part of the story is helping me try to resolve some of my feelings about myself.
@truthseeker – I know who you are talking about and it is not that individual related to that one landlord. However that other person worked in the Exec office around the same time – I think. Doesn’t quite matter really – but just didn’t want you thinking it was that one person – because it wasn’t.