Submission to Authority, pt 1

This Ethics and Leadership class gives a great glimpse of the true nature of the Honor Academy. You will see just how the interns are primed to accept the absolute control of the HA leadership.

The main thrust of this video is Dave’s teaching on the nature authority and submission. Especially the “common problem a developing leader will face” called the “authority problem” which means that you must submit completely to any authority in your life. Let’s look at this teaching through the lens of Scripture.

21:03 – Many times, when you disagree with leadership, what you are supposed to do is bite your tongue and keep your mouth shut and serve.

22: 15 – You might be thinking to yourself, I am so thankful I don’t have this authority problem. I am so glad. I am so submissive, I’m good at this. Anyone can submit when a decision appears right. Its when the decision seems wrong, or are wrong that submission is difficult. Again, I’m not talking Biblically immoral things. I’m talking about if your leader makes a decision that’s wrong – those of you who played sports, how many of you were in a huddle at one point and the coach said, “Alright, we are going to take Fred out of the game and put Billy into the game.” And everybody was like, “You’ve got to be kidding! Everybody knows Billy is the wrong choice.” Sure enough, Billy went into the game, did something disastrous and you lost the game. How many of you had that happen? How many of you are Billy? Just kidding. So that’s a hard thing. You don’t want to, in that moment, submit. But that’s when you need to submit. That is when you are learning submission. Sometimes in the Honor Academy, I make decisions to do things you don’t like. I mean theoretically. Right? I may have potentially done something at some point or other and you didn’t like it….Now the challenge comes for you, whether or not you will submit. Submission is tested more when there are differences of opinion over critical issues.

28:07 – Rebellion against authority means that a person is not subjecting themselves to God thought it may appear that the person is rejecting some impure manifestation of God’s authority through a human channel. The key here, I think, is to be careful that you don’t allow differences of opinion to be the thing that gets you to the place where you step out and say, “Well, that persons not being used by God anymore, I don’t have to submit to that authority anymore. That person is wrong.” Etc. Again, hear me, I’m not talking about immorality, if I go tell everybody, we’re all going to start stealing…


So, just to recap, Dave is saying that you must submit to all leaders in EVERYTHING unless it is Biblically immoral. If you fail to do this, he says that you are not in true submission to God. How does this square up against Jesus’ life and teaching in the Gospels? This will be kind of long, but it will be worth it. An excerpt from the excellent book, Twisted Scriptures:

The idea planted in member’s minds through this teaching is: “ I must obey all in authority completely if I am to be a disciple of Christ!” This is a logical conclusion if we accept that the Scripture really teaches this. But we must take all the Scriptures together for complete understanding of the Bible. Sometimes we should follow authority and sometimes we should not. (“We must obey God rather than men.” Acts 5:29) The deciding factor is the mandate of Scripture, not the demands of human beings. Jesus said in Matt 23:2-4:

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

Does this Greek word for “obey” mean “comply with each command that the Pharisees request?” Does “do everything they tell you” mean every area of your life? What did Jesus mean? We can examine Jesus’ own behavior to find out.

Jesus refused to obey religious authority.

When Jesus healed on the Sabbath, he refused to obey the Jewish leaders (John 5, Luke 13). Another time, Jesus’ apostles were picking heads of grain on the Sabbath, an activity the Pharisees said was unlawful. Jesus also refuted the Pharisees and “teachers of the law” when they demanded to know why His Apostles failed to wash their hands before they ate (Matt. 15). On another occasion, Jesus called the synagogue rules hypocritical for putting their own man-made rules before God’s commands. Again, religious leaders were overstepping the boundaries of Scripture.

Jesus never said that we are to obey our leaders in everything. He qualified what He meant by “obey” in action and words. We are to obey leaders in those things that are passed down from Moses. When Jesus said, “Do everything they tell you to do,” He didn’t mean in every area of life, just in those areas covered by Scripture.

Yet, there are leaders who demand complete accountability. They lay this heavy burden on you – just the thing against which Jesus preached. Think about it. Jesus wouldn’t even let religious authorities require His Apostles to wash their hands, yet many leaders teach that we should “just be flexible and obey” in all aspects of life. They think that it is “being broken and humbled” to become a doormat for leaders.

Jesus does not demand we give unwavering obedience to any human. Even if that human is instructing us to do seemingly good or benign things. If that was the teaching of Christ, there would be no need for the Holy Spirit to guide us individually since we could all just look to a human leader. The only person that deserves full obedience is Jesus Christ – elevating any other human to that position is wrong. Anyone who believes otherwise is primed to be manipulated and controlled by their leaders.

In the near future, we’ll also examine what true submission and “dying to self” really means.

 

 

9 comments:

 

Wow. I’d heard he taught that, but to hear it “from the horse’s mouth” is incredibly damning. This is good ol’ fashioned false teaching, folks.

For those looking for Scriptures on this subject, may I recommend this post of my own?

 

Amen. It’s incredible, to me, how people will pervert the gospel to make running a ministry easier.

Breaks my heart to see TM miss the mark in so many ways. God has so much more for them.

 

Awesome RA! That’s great…I’m gonna have to see if I can find this book too!
Twisted Scriptures: Breaking Free from Churches That Abuse by Mary Alice Chrnalogar. You can find it on Amazon 🙂

May I also recommend (again!) Pagan Christianity? by George Barna and Frank Viola, and also Revolution in the Church by Michael L. Brown

 

I’ve been praying about this post. So far I’m coming to the conclusion that this is correct. What a head trip. lol.
This kind of freaks me out. I actually listened to this teaching and obeyed it for a year and a half without question. Actually, I obeyed it for like 3 years. lol. Until just recently.
So here is the situation that I’m in right now. I’m HIGHLY involved with the morman church. (haha. Trust me, it’s not MY will that I’m here that’s for sure… In fact. If anyone has experience witnessing to mormans, help me out PLEEEEAAAAASE!;) I’m living with a morman family who is high up in leadership. They REALLY believe what they are taught. It’s almost the same way I was when I was at the H.A. (Just a tad more demonic with the mormans.) They’ll tell you what they believe with such flair, if I wasn’t a Christian I’d believe um I’m sure! When it comes to legalism they’ve got it down. Most people convert because they see the mormans good works. They work selflessly, most 18 year olds go on a ‘mission’ all around the world, spreading their perverted ‘gospel’, giving up their ‘life’ for for their idol god.
I’m sitting here thinking, “That’s what the H.A. taught me. How to do good works.” The condition of my heart was never addressed. And now I’m realizing, really, it’s all about Christ and Him crucified. That’s it. It’s all you can preach.
Cause even your good works aren’t going to stand up against a person whose done better ‘works’ than you. Anyone can have good works. Anyone can have a belief and preach it. But it’s your faith that will reveal the true living God. You’re salt. You’re light. Just by being a Christian that’s what you are. I think that if you really love God there isn’t much you can do to change that. lol. Just by living you will bring flavor to the world. Then you actually go a little deeper and you start to really shine bright.
To tie my mini sermon back to this post – I listen to people way too much. I totally stood under this leadership and believed it and it crippled me from being able to stand for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Him crucified. There are no rules that I can obey (In my own strength) to get me closer to Him. No amount of good works I can do in my own strength that will bring Him glory. When I’m shown weak He is shown strong.
Glory to Him.

 

Amen Natalie. And I’ll be praying for you and the Mormons!

 

This article is rather silly. You will constantly disagree with more then half the things you do in life but you still do them because it needs to be done. HA is no different then taking a college course.

I didn’t agree that I needed Business Calc for a computer major, does that mean I take the F? If you don’t agree with a law do you break it? They are trying to actually prepare you for real life, something 99% of church based programs fail to do.

 

@Anon Jan 27 – There have been many times in my college education and life where I have found things that do not make sense. So I question them! I am currently going for a computer degree and found classes that I found irrelevant for my major, so I disused it with my school and they agreed to not make me take them.

This concept of just “bite your tongue” seems quite foolish for me. If we always just bite our tongue then nothing would change. If I’m a politician and just constantly submitted to those in authority (like a president or the person in charge of the House) and their wishes then nothing would ever change. We must question authority and if we disagree with them then they should be mature enough to hear us out! I know this metaphor does not relay perfectly I just feel that we are called to question things we feel are wrong or incorrect. It gives those in authority way to much power if no one questions their foolish (or even wise) decisions.

 

Wow you changed your entire college curriculum single handedly? That’s amazing!!! Seriously though, no self respecting college lets their students decide what curriculum is important, it’s absurd. Be a little more honest please, or at the very least admit you’re going to DeVry.

 

Jimmy,

I went to a self-respecting college which TM very very very highly pushes on interns. I felt one of my courses was not essential to what I wanted from my major, made a case for it with my advisor, and was allowed to take a different one.

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