In case you can’t read the screencaps, the conversation is reprinted below (emphasis mine).
Jeremy: yea, it was a bad piece of journalism, but from being inside sitting directly under Ron, seeing and witnessing the arrogance that Dave and Ron have about the faults of TMM and the HA is appalling. They are both dismissive of all things negative of them, their ministry and their leadership and are highly judgmental of those who’ve been legitimately scarred by their experiences with TM…regardless of their public claims about seeking reconciliation and whatnot. And what they have done to ‘make things right’ was a good whitewash from what their perceptive is of it all privately. RA does have an agenda and they are malicious and that was bad journalism (if you can call it that), but that doesn’t erase the glaring issues that TMM and it’s leadership has. The comment that Ron said on the christianpost (sic) article about (that I will poorly quote) “we’ve had millions of people attend our events and we have 4 people upset about it” is pretty tell tale.
Jeremy: “Here’s the quote “We’ve had literally millions of young people come to our events…and out of all these years – this is our 25th anniversary – they have four people that are saying, ‘This is really a bad thing,’” Luce said. There is a problem with this perspective – they are dismissive of anything negative and think people who have problems with the ministry and people who are genuinely hurt by their experience are isolated cases but not indicative of anything systemic and do not require any responsibility on their part…and it’s pervasive with the internal leadership.
Alumnus 1: I take that quote to mean that over the course of 25 years, millions of people have found TM’s events worthwhile enough to come to, and the RA group has four people that are against TM. Ron didn’t say that only 4 people have ever disliked TM.
Alumnus 1: That’s how it comes across to me.
Jeremy: that’s not what I’m saying either. Ron didn’t say that “only 4 people have ever disliked TM.” He said “we have had millions of people attend events, they have 4 people here saying it’s not good.” He’s dismissing the accusations and the basis of the documentary – which is people who have legitimate issues with the organization. The fact is (and people who aren’t inside seeing these things would never know this), TMM has multiple lawsuits against it, they have hundreds of people engaged on the RA site and there are also other sites like it. This is a much larger issue than many people know.
