Deborah’s Story

I was an August intern, from the class of 2000. I was K-Crew, Breakfast Crew – and I LOVED Teen Mania.

Don’t get me wrong – I still believe God brought me there. I had a deep peace that it was where I was supposed to be. And there were many good things He showed me and gave me during my time there. For instance, I had never heard of the idea of His being my husband before I went on my first mission trip with TM. So that year was a sort of honeymoon for me, of sorts. And I made some really tight friendships in the kitchen, because our crew was really close. I still keep in close contact with 3 people from that crew (all of whom have left their faiths since then, though – but that’s a different story, for one of them to tell), and have casual contact with several more.

My biggest struggle that has come between me and God since then, though, started with something I was taught while an intern at TM. I am literally just realizing this as I type it.

It has to do with the whole idea of vision and purpose that they preach. (You remember the 5 year plans we had to write, don’t you?)

Now, the Vision retreats were great times for me – days spent alone with God with only Him as my sustenance.

And the whole idea that God has a purpose for each of us is great.

HOWEVER, even at that time, I felt a little uncomfortable with the idea that He’d give us a step-by-step plan. To me, it seemed to contradict the idea that He wanted us to follow Him – why would we need to follow Him, if we already knew where we were going? So I kept my Vision Statement intentionally vague, and my 5 year plan wasn’t anything I really felt hardcore about.

But that way of thinking, of needing to know my purpose so I could just focus on my vision and not let anything distract me from fulfilling it, seeped into everything. It also kind of combined with the fact that several people told me I had the gift of prophecy. So by the end of the year, I was pretty confident I could hear God’s voice and see where He was leading me – and it ended up directly contributing to one of my biggest crises of faith I’ve ever had.

I thought I was supposed to go on a trip to South Africa, and that it was supposed to be a “faith” mission (no fundraising). I believed it was what God wanted, so I prayed and waited – and the money didn’t come. I spent WEEKS out in the Bach Forte after that, wrestling with God and asking Him why He’d tell me I was going and then not have it happen… I never really got an answer, but I did get Him.

Then I went home, and, like many other people, became angry and depressed. I was prideful, blah blah, pushed people away, confronted those I barely knew, etc. etc. (It seems we all have this in common.)

Then a couple years later I went to college. A nice, Ivy League school. And during my junior year, I met someone. And I was CERTAIN he was “the One” because our meeting corresponded to several “signs” God had given me before I met him, and whenever I sought confirmation, I got it.

Needless to say, he wasn’t “the One.” And I was devastated. That relationship was completely unhealthy and codependent, and he lied to me over and over again – but I kept trying to persevere because I KNEW he was who I was called to be with. And I grew more and more depressed – almost suicidal – as I struggled to reconcile the obvious (that we weren’t going to end up together) with what I believed God had told me (that we would be together). I kept loving him, even though he didn’t love me.

Finally, he met someone else and moved on (thank you, merciful God).

It took me two years to get over him, and my relationship with God went through the exact same thing it did when I was in the Bach Forte, only on a MUCH bigger scale: God, how could you tell me this would happen, and then not have it happen?

It took my roommate confronting me for “opening the door to witchcraft” for all of this to start coming undone.

I began to realize that I was trying to manipulate God. I was trying to make Him do what I wanted and convince Him that what I wanted was actually His will, too. I would hungrily read the Bible like it was a giant fortune cookie, like every verse would reveal my future. This, I later learned, is something called Bibliomancy, which actually is a form of fortune telling and witchcraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliomancy). I thought I was just “seeking confirmation,” but I really wasn’t.

God kept gently bringing me back to the story of Abraham and Isaac, but I just thought He meant I was supposed to give up this man, and I’d get him back – what God was actually saying was that I needed to lay down control and let Him decide.

Where in the Bible does it say God will tell us a 5 year plan? He gives SOME people hints at the direction He’ll take them, but usually in those cases, it’s when it’s something that sounds impossible, without any way from point A to point B, and it takes complete faith and trust in Him to get there. Like with Abraham, about having Isaac – or Gideon with fighting with only 300 men…

Otherwise, if the “purpose” is something more easily attainable, God doesn’t seem to reveal it (from my reading), because otherwise, the person wouldn’t rely on Him like they should. Does that make sense?

It is only 10 years later, after battling (and overcoming) depression with the help of a counselor, and the gentle remonstrances of kind friends, that I have finally started letting go of “my vision” and resting in God. Now, I have a general idea of my gifts and where I think God might be leading me, but I’m completely willing for God to take me in a different direction, if that’s where He wants me to go. He IS God, after all. And He is trustworthy.

(A big verse that spoke to me about this was actually Daniel 3:16-18, when Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were about to be thrown into the fiery furnace:

“Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.””

I realized, I should view my “vision” the same way they did – “God, I believe you want me to do this, but even if not, and it results in a “death” of some sort for me, I will still follow you.”)

I’ve also started to read the Bible just to learn what God’s voice sounds like – and have let go of trying to force prophecies out of Him. If He wants to reveal something to me, that’s His prerogative.

And I’m also finally learning how to trust Him in terms of relationships. Instead of trying to immediately determine whether someone is “the One,” I’m resting in Him and trusting that He’ll show me. And I’m happy to say that there’s someone I’m very happy to be getting to know right now… without any idea of where it might lead.

Until I sat down and wrote this email, I honestly thought it was me. It was something in me that made me abuse God in this way, and try to manipulate him. And, yes, there was something in me that was naturally ready to do this – I’ve always had a natural affinity for magic and fantasy.

But it was also Teen Mania, with their insistence that we can figure out God’s will and map out our lives. And that makes me angry and sad and hurt that I might not have had to go through what I did if they hadn’t convinced me of the truth of their message.

I am a much stronger, more compassionate woman because of what I have gone through – but I do not thank them for their contribution in that respect.

 
 

 

7 comments:

 

 

This was so nice to read. Having only been out of T.M. a few years I can KINDA see how the internship messed with my head, but having this kind of perspective from someone who has been out 10 years and able to really see what went wrong is good wisdom to have.
I feel like this story was mini gold mine.

when i was at teenmania a bunch of people told me I had the gift of prophesy, it was the first time I ever heard of it so i thought that meant I was a prophet, it wigged me out so badly I seriously considered never reading the bible again. lol. So I questioned and cried and struggled.
The thing that is in this story that stands out a lot is all the wrestling with God. We wrestle because we think we can’t hear Him, but actually He’s just leading us out into the night (like in Song of Songs) to find Him.

 

 

 

 

 

I understand where Deborah is coming from but just have come from the Honor Academy I wanted you to know that while during these time where we are seeking vision for our life it isn’t about just having a five year plan. Its about understanding what path to take, asking God what is the first steps, not just setting five years in stone. During my time there this past year, I thought I was being lead to stay at Teen Mania for the next at least three years and I went down that pat.

I came to realize its a good idea to have a dream, purpose because God says He does have a plan for our lives but its more about trusting Him than anything else. Which Honor Academy helped me realize this and even explained this to me.

 

 

 

 

 

I dunno Anonymous. When I got out of Teen Mania I was totally on your side, but if felt like to me Teenmania made you have a false hope in your plan. They’re very ‘ministry’ minded. What does your 5 year plan include? figuring out how to get higher in leadership in ministry? Higher in education? Higher up in your job? Better at whatever you do?
Which sounds really good right?
Except it puts all the pressure on you to make your life better.
Then God breaks in on your plan (which is what we all want Him to do) and He ruins it PTL. and that’s when we’re truly satisfied I think.
He sure ruined mine…

 

 

 

 

 

I decided a long time ago that I don’t need to know God’s plan for my life. God knows where I’m going and I’m at peace to follow him without asking questions. Knowing where my life will be in 5, 10, 20 years won’t change the outcome or even really benefit me in anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

“The heart set to do the Father’s will need never fear defeat. His promises of guidance may be fully counted upon. Does it make sense to believe that the Shepherd would care less about getting His sheep where He wants them to go than they care about getting there?” (Elisabeth Elliot)

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you very much “Deborah.” Your post is like a breath of fresh air. It gives me some sort of peace. Its been five years now and I’m still processing many of the things you talked about. The guilt and the shame I’ve acquired since leaving the HA have left me to abandon nearly every piece of Christian teaching I’ve ever accepted in my 25 years on this planet. I sincerely appreciate your vulnerability.

 

 

 

 

 

Where you in the room that got raided by RA’s for having weird stickers circa 99?
I remember an intern going ape on an entire room, tearing down posters and a “worldly” sticker that she said brought the devil in. (Seriously this happened) No one even repremanded her for destroying other peoples property. she litteraly lost it!

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  1. So… this was me. I wrote this just over 14 years ago, and reading it now… wow. I cringe at how much I was still forcing god into everything I was thinking and saying, but also feel great empathy for my younger self who clung to this way of life for protection.

    I am no longer a Christian – I let go of my faith in 2012, and it was SUCH A RELIEF, even if it was also scary (like a free-fall). There’s a lot I won’t unpack in this comment, but I’ve since realized I grew up experiencing religious abuse and emotional neglect, so I suffer from C-PTSD and was primed me for this cultic environment of spiritual abuse…

    I’m also neurodiverse – I have ADHD and am fairly certain I’m also autistic – so my naturally naive and trusting nature, as well as my desire for structure and order, was preyed upon by convincing me I could know god’s plan and that I, especially, was prophetic. This is something that still affects me in every aspect of my life to this day.

    Anyway, some of you may have read the article I wrote several years after this on Medium, “I Was A Teenage Maniac”: https://medium.com/@liliath/i-was-a-teenage-maniac-3e0928fa7ffb. It goes much deeper into it all, though the last update I made to it was maybe 6 years ago?

    And I’m so angry at Ron and Dave and all the adults who deceived us there – especially knowing that Ron has started another “ministry” (this time simply targeting youth leaders) while Dave has moved to an actual university to recreate the Honor Academy experience there… so they haven’t learned anything, it seems – or don’t think they’ve done anything wrong.

    I’d beg to differ, especially with so many testimonies otherwise.

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